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Thread: Convertible Top - Bright White or Oxford White?
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Cobra2top
Super Member Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline |
I'd thought I would bring this one back up........yesterday with our 60 degree day here in NJ I pulled out the 92 feature after playing a little hookie from work. I need a top bad so I hit a few of the local shops in my area. The cheapest was $900 and the most $1300. More then I want to spend but at some point it is going to have to get done. The 2 lowest price shops were smaller shops but very knowledgeable owners. The larger shops did not really seem to care much for my business. One carried a top by Robbins and the other a top by Electron. I have heard good things about Electron but the Robbins is a new name for me. Anyone have any experience with either? Thanks Ken |
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TripleWhiteFox
Founder Joined: Jan 9, 2005 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline |
Good timing to bring this topic up again. Over the last 24 hours, I have been on the CC: list of some email correspondence between the aforementioned feature car owner Ron and Doug at Haartz. Doug stated: Your 1992 Mustang did indeed have a different color white top when shipped from the factory. In 1992 the color used was color number 4902, with the name "Oxford White". The Oxford White was used by Ford from the mid 80's until the 92' model year. As the feature cars were only limited edition runs for a few years in the early 90's I am lead to believe that they used the same top material as the other Mustang convertibles built in each model year. It was the rest of the "package/accessories/upgrades" that distinguished the feature cars. They then changed in 93' to the Performance White as I indicated in my earlier email. The tops cannot be re-dyed so that they will perform or act as the original top material in terms UV or abrasion characteristics. I would again suggest that you contact EZ-On for a replacement top. They have purchased the 4902 Oxford White Double Texture top material that would be the correct replacement for the 1992 vehicles. And, related to whether 1992 cars could have had a Performance White top at the end of the production run, Doug states: You pose a good question. I unfortunately cannot tell what C&C might have used on these vehicles. As your car was built in late June, it is possible that it might have had the Performance White, but I have no way of confirming this. The color would have been developed by this time, and theoretically available. Sorry this is not the best answer, but about as close as I can come at the moment. Do you have the original build sheet for your car? I have a reference number of : 4WFABQ which referenced the Ford color code for the 4902 Oxford White color. I don't know about brands of tops myself. On the topic of price I was quoted the following last spring: Top: $250 Window: $240 Pads: $50 Labor: $480 Total: $1020 + tax This was at a small local shop that does a lot of tops (nearly one every day). ---------------------------------------- ~John 1993 Triple White, auto, all stock, 51k miles  |
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twocarnuts
Super Member Joined: Feb 3, 2005 Post Count: 514 Status: Offline |
I have an Electron top on our car and it is very nice. We used a smaller shop located by us and they did a great job. I have about 900.00 in the top which inlcudes: top, rear window shroud, and installation. We did not need the top pads. Best of luck. Chet |
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Cobra2top
Super Member Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline |
Great information. I am leaning toward performance white because I personally think it would look better but will check the build date. I wonder if there is any part of the top that may not have been exposed to the weather, sun, etc. Something maybe hidden where it is attached to the car that could be used as a sample to check against. I will head out in the garage and poke around to see if any possible parts may not have been exposed. Maybe I might get lucky. Sounds like my quote is on track. It's funny because one of the bigger shops claimed I needed everything, pads, cables etc. and totalled it up to $1300. The little local guy with a one bay shop said the pads are fine and wants to charge me $900. He uses the Electron top while another guy down the road uses Robbins. I would feel comfortable with both, but it's going to come down to Top manufactuers. If Robbins is better, I'll put up the additional $100 to have the better top.....ahh decisions decisions!! |
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Cobra2top
Super Member Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline |
I was looking through my "Fox-Body Mustang Recognition Guide 1979 - 1993" and noticed something that was right in front of me the whole time about the 92's. The book has a VIN and Door tag decoder for each year. In 92 the white interior is called "Oxford White". Looking up 93 they call it just "white". Then I thought about the rims, the 92's are Pearlescent, which is not a bright white. Could Ford have put on Oxford white tops on the 92's to match the interior and rims? So I think I have it figured out. I go out to my car and read the door tag. Everything makes sense but the following: Molding code: Mine is a M and M is not listed in the book at all (the kicker) Interior code, mine is CZ, book does not list "Z" (color of interior!!). Now that I am confused, the more I look at the white in my car, I am starting to believe it was Oxford white. It just does not have that bright white look to it when I check areas that do not see any sun (under the rear seat). THE HUNT IS STILL ON FOR THE TOP....DO I PUT ON OXFORD OR THE COLOR I LIKE PERFORMANCE!?!?!?! |
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TripleWhiteFox
Founder Joined: Jan 9, 2005 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline |
Molding code: Mine is a M and M is not listed in the book at all (the kicker) Interior code, mine is CZ, book does not list "Z" (color of interior!!). This is what drives me crazy about door tag decoding. On the 30 or so door tags that I have information from for '92 feature cars "M" is almost always the Molding code. "CZ" is the interior code. I attribute those that are not to data entry errors on my registration form. There is no mention of the shade of "white" in any of the Ford Lit. that I have: http://www.triplewhitefox.com/mustang/92literature.htm#dealer ---------------------------------------- ~John 1993 Triple White, auto, all stock, 51k miles |
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Cobra2top
Super Member Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline |
Sounds like people are partial to Performance White on a 92. What is the concensus on this? Would you go with Performance or Oxford? |
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Cobra2top
Super Member Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline |
I thought I would bring this up one more time...would you get Oxford White or Performance White on a 92? Next week I am going to get the top replaced. The person at the shop claims in 92 Ford used Oxford. He has done a ton of Mustangs and was actually recommended on a few mustang sites. Decision time is approaching! What to get?? |
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TripleWhiteFox
Founder Joined: Jan 9, 2005 Post Count: 633 Status: Offline |
Based upon what I have learned through this thread, my opinion has formed that Oxford White is correct for 1992. My opinion is further that if you are aiming for authenticity go with Oxford; if you are aiming for look, go with Bright. I think the key word here is that it is 'opinion'. But, you have to pick what you like. If you do get Bright White, unless your car is parked next to another that has Oxford, only someone with a very careful eye will ever know the difference (unless they read this, of course  )If ultimately we do find out that Bright is correct and you went with Oxford (or vice versa) I don't think it will effect the value of your car. It's not like you painted your Emerald Green 7-up car Black. ---------------------------------------- ~John 1993 Triple White, auto, all stock, 51k miles |
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Cobra2top
Super Member Joined: Mar 23, 2005 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline |
Thanks for the feedback! I'm also starting to believe that Oxford was the color they used in 92. I am still in decision mode. I am going to call the seat mfg TMI to see what color they use on their replacement leathers for the 92 features. If that color is bright white then I am going to go the same with the top. If it is Oxford I am going to go that route. We'll see! On a separate note, I am thinking of also painting my feature, maybe black like the car on ebay or better yet, how about a yellow or white?!? How cool would that be having a "92" yellow or white feature with the black piping interior!!!  |
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